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Hi all. I would like to know what you guys think on this one-ESPECIALLY from the ones who are moderators and actually live in Bangkok.Among inner circles,local everyday life,etc.What is the truth on HIV among the ladyboys?Are the bar ladies any safer?As opposed to freelancers.

I'm just a guy who really enjoys ladyboys,honestly more than GGs, and thinks Nana Plaza,the nightlife there is unreal for a LB lover on holiday BUT this is worrying me.What do you guys HONESTLY make of the situation?Thanks for any information and thoughts.

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Hi all. I would like to know what you guys think on this one-ESPECIALLY from the ones who are moderators and actually live in Bangkok.Among inner circles,local everyday life,etc.What is the truth on HIV among the ladyboys?Are the bar ladies any safer?As opposed to freelancers.

I'm just a guy who really enjoys ladyboys,honestly more than GGs, and thinks Nana Plaza,the nightlife there is unreal for a LB lover on holiday BUT this is worrying me.What do you guys HONESTLY make of the situation?Thanks for any information and thoughts.

 

I’ve no idea if the mods will take this reply down, I love this site and have come to enjoy reading post and seeing pics etc and ive even made a Australian friend , and I believe people would be more horrified if they found out I have had a few drink with lbloveroz than shagging Ladyboys ;-) . But this has to be the worse tread on this site, 99.9 % of members of this site cover up again only silly people don’t practice safe, so please leave us alone and keep this site its usual fun place, if you don’t want to take the risk have a wank ive recommend shemalefly.com and if your broadband is better than mine you will be knocking them out all day.

 

you and you alone are responsible for your health and the girls are hygiene obsessed so going BB and then catching is you fault, if like smokers who get cancer you smoke you deal with it,, now thats over with welcome mate.

 

and remember if you get on a plane to Bangkok it might crash, are you going to get on the plane ?? thought you would you dirty ladyboy fucker

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hey that must be the strangest reply i have seen on here,,,,i'd say fair chance alcohol was a fair contibutor,,,not that i dont concur with some points but hey its not what you say its how you say it lol

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hey that must be the strangest reply i have seen on here,,,,i'd say fair chance alcohol was a fair contibutor,,,not that i dont concur with some points but hey its not what you say its how you say it lol

 

 

NO Alcohol just taken a sleeping pill and wanted to finish typing before i fell asl......................................................................

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I know this is meant to be a fun forum.I don't mean to be a downer BUT you just never know...I have always practiced safe sex with the ladyboys.The only direct contact would be from kissing.Yes they always shower as do I,etc.It's just that HIV isn't talked about.I really wanted to get some inside information before thinking about doing another Bangkok holiday.

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I somehow understand your concern, cascade, but really, why? As Lotusguy said, You and You alone are responsable for your health. If you go with a LB, cover up. That is the wisest thing to do. If yu don't, it might give a better feeling in your cock, but the unpleasant feeling gets in your head. I like it the other way. Maybe ask the girls who has got HIV and then make a blacklist... What a blast would that be? Besides, a clean girl could get infected today, but only notice after a year.

I assume none of the girls is infected, keeps me happy. Still, when I ride my motorbike, I put on a helmet and wear safety gear, even when it is 30°C, I don't expect to fall and I don't want to, just in case. Riding a LB, just the same.

 

I read about guys liking to drink the girls cum, well, for me that is one step to far, suck her OK, rim her OK, but she doesn't cum in me.

 

You don't need to think about the Disease all the time, keep it fun.

 

Greetings, R

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Hi all. I would like to know what you guys think on this one-ESPECIALLY from the ones who are moderators and actually live in Bangkok.Among inner circles,local everyday life,etc.What is the truth on HIV among the ladyboys?Are the bar ladies any safer?As opposed to freelancers.

I'm just a guy who really enjoys ladyboys,honestly more than GGs, and thinks Nana Plaza,the nightlife there is unreal for a LB lover on holiday BUT this is worrying me.What do you guys HONESTLY make of the situation?Thanks for any information and thoughts.

What do we HONESTLY think of the situation???

 

Well I guess if it worried us as much as it seems to worry you Cascade09, we wouldn't do it.

But we do do it, regularly, frequently and with great gusto.

We are all sensible, sane adults here, we take precautions.

Having said that, you could meet a really sweet lady (GG) on a blind date, friend of a friend, at a party or whatever who comes highly recommended and get really unlucky if she had a previous relationship that left her with a gift that keeps on giving, if you get my drift.

 

It's not just LB'S that offer a risk factor.

 

Any sexual activity outside of a monogamous relationship holds a degree of risk.

 

For many of us, the danger, and the social taboo of LB relationships is a large part of the gratification we get from it. (as well as it being the hottest, horniest sex you will ever experience). We still do not risk our lives for it though, sensible precautions in ALL relationships outside of your marriage/long term partnership should always be number one priority.

 

Go to the edge, just don't jump off!!!!

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One of the members of the AsianTS-board, whose name/nick I unfortunaly not remember, who is doing porn movies in LOS, wrote that there

were quite some number of girls who didn't pass the test when searching for models.

Since the window period is up to 3 months there is no way to know if a girl is 100% clean, so cover up is the only way to deal

with the situation.

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Here is an article that was in the Phuket Gazette a couple of days ago. Just in time for their Gay Pride festival which is taking place this week.

 

PHUKET: -- Increasing sexual activity among the youngest members of Phuket’s transgender community is leading to a worrying rise in HIV infection rates, public health officials say.

 

Dr Sak Tanchaikul, chief of Phuket Provincial Public Health Office (PPHO), said he was deeply concerned about HIV infection rates among “men who have sex with men”, which his agency members refer to collectively as “MSM”.

 

Already over 9 per cent of people who fall into the MSM category in Phuket have contracted the HIV virus that causes AIDS, he said.

 

A provincial subcommittee tasked with stopping the spread of the disease will coordinate efforts with all related agencies and groups to ensure that infection rates do not go any higher, he said.

 

“MSM is one of the risk groups because they have many sex partners. The more partners they have, the greater the risk of them contracting HIV,” he added.

 

Mrs Eam-orn Kittitornkul, chief of the PPHO’s service development division, said research conducted by her agency found an increase in sexual activity among transgender people.

 

“The MSM group is having major problems. From our studies last year, we found that kathoeys [‘ladyboys’] are having more sexual partners than ever before. In the past they typically reported having had one or two partners. But in 2010 we found many in the 15 to 19 age range have already had four or more partners,” she said.

 

Schools had an important role to play in providing knowledge about HIV and teaching those in high-risk groups how to protect themselves, she said.

 

Phuket Rajabhat University has invited famous sex education instructor Dr Pansak Sukraroek to lecture students, Dr Sak said.

 

“I think it is useful. The youth will have more understanding and know how to protect themselves [from HIV],” he said.

 

Apart from educational institutions, local authorities such as tambon administration organizations (OrBorTor) also receive budgets to fund HIV/AIDS awareness programs, Mrs Eam-orn added.

 

“Having a field trip or educational tour at the year end may help solve the problem somewhat. I think it would be better for the local authorities to help us [PPHO] install condom vending machines or disseminate knowledge about the value of condom usage to local residents,” she said.

 

A campaign to increase public awareness about the need for condom use is being planned for Phuket, but the exact date has yet to be announced, Dr Sak said.

 

More statistics on the HIV/AIDS situation in Phuket will be released after the next subcommittee meeting, he said.

 

Phuket has a large population of transgender people from all over Thailand. Many move here to work in the nightlife industry.

 

The Patong Police require all kathoey working along Soi Bangla to carry ID cards issued by their place of employment.

 

Those found soliciting sexual service in the area are subject to fines.

 

Awareness of HIV/AIDS issues is also a major thrust of activities related to the the 10th Phuket Gay Pride Celebration, which began in Patong yesterday

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Hi all. I would like to know what you guys think on this one-ESPECIALLY from the ones who are moderators and actually live in Bangkok.Among inner circles,local everyday life,etc.What is the truth on HIV among the ladyboys?Are the bar ladies any safer?As opposed to freelancers.

I'm just a guy who really enjoys ladyboys,honestly more than GGs, and thinks Nana Plaza,the nightlife there is unreal for a LB lover on holiday BUT this is worrying me.What do you guys HONESTLY make of the situation?Thanks for any information and thoughts.

 

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Cascade if you have afraid of aids, siliphis, gonorrea, you have only 2 way

1- castity

2- use condoms

 

 

 

about you if lb in gogo bar has hiv don't work never or only freelancer?

i have a doubt only frelancer are HIV+

 

now lb or lady with hiv take antiretroviral pills and virus in blodd is under 40 copies "undetectable"

Great problem i one other:

we are sure every 3 months ladyboy check test for hiv?

i speak with alot of lbs and all tell me yes 6 months ago, 1 year ago, but id only 1 month ago, for your safety, this lb don't should go to sex for 3 month with nobody.

about uou is possible? no

hoping all lbs use condoms..

but i know a lot of lbs or for love, or for much money don't use always..

for this reason

use always condoms for anal sex... hoping condoms don't broken..

should be happen condom broken..

but if you take car, aereo or motorbike you have the same problem for your life..

take safety and you stay quiet.

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HIV should not be too much of a worry if you cover up, and I hope we all do. Not that condoms don't break. . . I know a lot of folks (most?) do oral bareback, which, according to the studies, has a very low incidence of HIV transfer. But it DOES have a high rate of transfer for all the other nasties. I can't speak for anyone else, but if I show up back home with a STD, the death will be quicker but more painful than HIV, if you get my drift. Does anyone else cover up for oral?

 

Side note, and I think I posted this somewhere else here - if you're in the provinces and take Doxycyclene as an anti-malarial, that *may* provide some protection against STDs other than HIV. But I'm no doctor, so do your own research on that.

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Does anyone else cover up for oral?

 

Lot's of people do. That's why so many minimarts here sell flavored condoms.

 

 

Side note, and I think I posted this somewhere else here - if you're in the provinces and take Doxycyclene as an anti-malarial, that *may* provide some protection against STDs other than HIV. But I'm no doctor, so do your own research on that.

 

Taking Doxycycline as a Chlamydia prophylaxis is a double-edged sword; although it might work sometimes, some think it may actually increase the chance of becoming infected with Doxycycline/Tetracycline resistant bacteria, which might be much worse.

 

And Doxycycline won't do anything to protect one from Herpes (which doubles one's odds of contracting HIV) or even worse, MRSA (which if it isn't bad enough on it's own, ups the odds of contracting HIV considerably).

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Lot's of people do. That's why so many minimarts here sell flavored condoms.

 

 

 

 

Taking Doxycycline as a Chlamydia prophylaxis is a double-edged sword; although it might work sometimes, some think it may actually increase the chance of becoming infected with Doxycycline/Tetracycline resistant bacteria, which might be much worse.

 

And Doxycycline won't do anything to protect one from Herpes (which doubles one's odds of contracting HIV) or even worse, MRSA (which if it isn't bad enough on itto underline this statement as it is not really new but not published so often (study was from 2008).

 

 

 

HIV is hard to be transmitted under consequent use of HAART - > www.aidsmap.com/files/file1003481.ppt & http://www.powershow...pt_presentation

 

's own, ups the odds of contracting HIV considerably).

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Did you read some of the notes in the PPT?

 

The studies cited by the Swiss commission did not themselves definitively conclude whether people with HIV and on antiretroviral treatment could safely have unprotected sex without passing on the virus.

 

...

 

"There is still some concern that you can never guarantee that somebody will not be infectious, and the evidence I have to say is not conclusive," said Charlie Gilks, director of AIDS treatment and prevention at WHO.

 

"Many countries in western Europe would regard this as an interesting experiment," he said, adding it was unlikely they would follow suit anytime soon.

 

"We are not going to be changing in any way our very clear recommendations that people on treatment continue to practice safer sex, including protected sex with a condom, in any relationship," Gilks said.

 

In any case, of the two million people around the world currently receiving HIV treatment, only a tiny number would receive medical care comparable to that in Switzerland qualifying them to have unprotected sex as suggested by the Swiss, he said.

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22934058/ns/health-aids/t/aids-experts-unprotected-sex-ok-some/

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I had a scare with HIV on my last trip to Bangkok. I had been with a few lbs from Cascades and spent a lot of time with one. This night though I was just there to have a drink but one of the lbs there was real eager to go with me. I didn't feel like it but then she took me to the toilets and gave me a bj then said that she would go ST for free, I just had to pay her barfine and the short time room. I decided what the hell and did it. In the short time room she showed me she had condoms because i didn't have any on me (a mistake I will never make again, always have a pack yourself before entering a bar). So she gave me a bj and then got on top of me and was rubbing my dick on her ass hole trying to get me hard, I was just laying back thinking she would get me hard then put a condom on then we would fuck. But once I was hard she just sat on my dick and as soon as i realized what she did i pushed her off and she told me she was clean and got tested regularly. After that I left and became really worried that I might of gotten HIV and went to another lb I knew and told her what happened and she said I should go to the hospital and get a blood test (blood tests for HIV are useless though until 4 weeks after). I did the blood test which was negative but the doctor started me on HIV prophylactics anyway and I have been on them for the past 4 weeks. I was only worried the night this happened, afterwards i realized i over reacted and wasn't worried about having HIV at all, but i still took the meds because on the very slim chance I did have HIV and stopped taking the meds the HIV would become resistant to them. Oh well live and learn.

I'm fine now though and can't wait to go back there in March :)

Looking back I should of just taken her to the hospital and paid to have her tested to saved myself the trouble. And if a lb/girl wants to go with you for free, exercise extreme caution and don't assume anything.

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No substitute for good information...

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aids#Transmission

 

A lot of times it's a trade off between the risk of infection and the enjoyment of the act. You can wrap yourself in latex, head to foot and be very safe, but why even bother. You won't have any fun. Some things are very dangerous to do without a rubber, like receptive anal sex, and somethings aren't, like insertive oral sex, or even receptive oral sex. So it's good to know what sex acts carry the most danger and plan accordingly. And feel more comfortable about taking a fairly insignificant risk with things that are a lot more fun to do without a rubber. The chart above breaks it down.

 

In practice, no one is going to be completely safe all the time, so it's good to know where you're the most vulnerable.

 

It goes without saying that you should do what you're most comfortable doing, and I'm not trying to advocate unsafe sex. But I think people feel the most comfortable when they know beforehand the risks that they'll be taking and can plan accordingly.

 

...

One thing worth mentioning. By the laws of probability, your odds increase every time you "play the game" (do a particular sex act). So if you have a 1/100 chance the first time you try something, you'll have a 1/50 chance the second time, 1/25 the third time, etc. The odds listed in the Wikipedia article are the "starting odds". Condoms cut down the unprotected risk to about 1/10 of what it would be, because condoms aren't perfect: they break, slip off, aren't used correctly...so there's a probability for them too (and I think the Wikipedia article may mention that).

 

This is what I've learned over the years. It may not be completely correct. If not, please correct me for the general good.

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PS: Another forum member linked to a San Francisco STD clinic, which is another great source of information, and worth comparing side-by-side to the Wikipedia table above.

Edited by dblaisde

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I agree with all of that except for your odds . If the odds were halved every time you play i would have won lotto a long time ago :).

 

Be safe all

But I think that's the way (the odds thing) works. Think of tossing a coin: When you start out, the chance of getting "tails" is 50% (or 1/2). If you got "heads" on the first toss, the chance of getting tails on the second toss isn't 50/50. It's 75/25 (3/4). If you get heads on the second toss, the odds become even more likely, 7/8 that you'll get tails on the third toss, and so on. This is how a doctor explained STD risks to me. He may be full of shit, but it makes sense. The word for this, BTW is "cumulative probability".

 

Of course all these probabilities assume that your partner already has the STD, and give the odds that you'll catch it. In fact, the odds that your partner has, say HIV, are perhaps 10 or 15% in Thailand (given that he's a male-to-male sex worker). So say the risk of drawing such a partner is 1/10. If you do receptive anal intercourse with him(at, say, a risk of 1/100), then your real risk is 1/10 * 1/100 == 1/1000. Add the use of a condom, which has a 10% risk of malfunction, and the odds become 1/10 * 1/100 * 1/10 == 1/10000.

 

(PS: the condom risk is for all people using all types of condoms. If you use good condoms correctly and the risk goes down accordingly)

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I agree for moments pleasure a lifetime of regret. That's the real odds. Not worth the risk, always play safe

 

"A night with Venus and a lifetime of Mercury" was what they said in Victorian England. Mercury was the treatment for syphilis.

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There is a misunderstanding here about the principles of probability theory. If the odds are 100 to 1 they are 100 to 1 every time. The odds don't change with each subsequent act. You could be infected the 1st time, the 50th time, the 100th time. It just means that if you engage in the act 100 times you are likely to be infected once.

 

If you are concerned with the risk of HIV, it's very simple. Use condoms for anal sex every time. Oral sex is a risk for other STDs, but it is not a risk for HIV.

Totally agree ,,, in regards to the flip of the coin ,,, regardless of the number of spins and what the previous spins were the odds still stay at 50% ,,, of course after spinning/tossing 10 heads in a row it becomes more likely tails will come up , but in fact the odds are still 50% ,

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Totally agree ,,, in regards to the flip of the coin ,,, regardless of the number of spins and what the previous spins were the odds still stay at 50% ,,, of course after spinning/tossing 10 heads in a row it becomes more likely tails will come up , but in fact the odds are still 50% ,

 

There is a misunderstanding here about the principles of probability theory. If the odds are 100 to 1 they are 100 to 1 every time. The odds don't change with each subsequent act. You could be infected the 1st time, the 50th time, the 100th time. It just means that if you engage in the act 100 times you are likely to be infected once.

 

If you are concerned with the risk of HIV, it's very simple. Use condoms for anal sex every time. Oral sex is a risk for other STDs, but it is not a risk for HIV.

I'll have to dig up the article I read this in. It was quite a while ago. If I can find it, I link it here. I don't completely understand it, but this is how I think it goes:

 

There is a difference between the probability of a single event vs. the probability of a given series of that same event. In your example, for instance, the probability that you'd get infected the very first time is 1 in a 100. But the probability that you'd get infected after having escaped it 99 times in a row (if that happened) for example, would be much greater than 1 in 100. On the 100th time, the one-time odds may still be 100 to 1, but the series probability of infection by then is very high.

 

Another example, the coin toss again. If you flip 10 heads in a row, and you know that over time the tosses will average out 50/50, you know that there's a better than average chance that after 10 heads, a tail becomes much more likely than a head (even though the *one time* event probability of the next toss is still 50/50). The series average has to eventually be 50/50 and the series up to this point has favored heads, making the *series probability* of a tails much more likely at this point. The one-time probability is overruled by the series probability, which strongly favors a tail.

 

So in this way, a long string of good luck at the STD gambling tables make it increasingly more likely that one will get an STD, simply by probability: the series odds of getting an infection at this point have become much greater than the one-time odds.

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