Boomerang 2,250 #1 Posted August 23, 2022 This looking like a nasty little forker. Certainly worthy of conversation considering it’s preference of spreading. 3 1 fizzy, sydney69er, ARI23 and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonard 463 #2 Posted August 23, 2022 We stopped vaccinating for smallpox in the west 50 years ago because the disease was erradicated. Lesser developed countries stopped vaccinating much later than the west. In Thailand I have seen quite a few younger people with the typical smallpox vaccine scar. This vaccine works a lifetime and should at least strongly protect against monkeypox. Ergo. 1. If you are older and still got this vaccine, you really should not worry at all. 2. If (I have no info how many younger people Thailand are innoculated) a decent amount of sexworkers/civilians in Thailand got innoculated, chance of getting infected is very very low when mongering. As far as I know, Thailand has gotten very few monkeypox cases. Seeing this disease is pretty visible, I don't think there has been a huge underreported outbreak. I read they have 4 cases of which 2 are foreign nationals. If you come into contact with someone who has obvious blisters, go to the hospital and get vaccinated. The vaccines tend to still have effect when taken after the moment of (possible) infection. 2 2 1 oliver17, george1515, ARI23 and 2 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ricky Diamonds 0 #3 Posted August 23, 2022 I am surprised this issue hasn’t been raised as this disease must have the potential to sweep through the Thailand LB community, even Happy Ending massages etc. In addition medical notes advise it can even be transmitted via bed sheets etc. As of yesterday, 40 cases have been detected in Australia, mainly from Visitors returning from overseas. I am traveling to Thailand this week and as the vaccine is currently unavailable,I am interested in your thoughts. Thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonard 463 #4 Posted August 24, 2022 You can theoretically transmit it in many many ways of contact, I’m sure bedsheets is possible) In practice, it’s most often transmitted through intense physical contact (aka sex). Almost all victims are men who have sex with men. your chances of conteacting it in Thailand are very low in my opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikel 2,459 #5 Posted August 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Jonard said: You can theoretically transmit it in many many ways of contact, I’m sure bedsheets is possible) In practice, it’s most often transmitted through intense physical contact (aka sex). Almost all victims are men who have sex with men. your chances of conteacting it in Thailand are very low in my opinion. Men having sex with men is the point of this forum. Looks like it'll be buyer beware for the foreseeable future. 3 Knobby, sydney69er and george1515 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonard 463 #6 Posted August 24, 2022 43 minutes ago, mikel said: Men having sex with men is the point of this forum. Looks like it'll be buyer beware for the foreseeable future. 9400 +Dengue cases this year in Thailand. 9500 road deaths in 2021 About 50 cases of Trichinosis a year Seems a bit silly to worry about the 4 cases of monkeypox of which 2 were foreign nationals when you accept the risks above. Context is everything. Only realistic preventure measure is to avoid contact with people who have blisters. I assume that goes without saying. 4 oliver17, Ropey, george1515 and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oliver17 10,492 #7 Posted August 24, 2022 On 8/23/2022 at 5:42 AM, Jonard said: In Thailand I have seen quite a few younger people with the typical smallpox vaccine scar. I have seen plenty of Thais with vaccine scars myself, and it is surprising to see them because you just don't see those in farang land anymore. I received smallpox vaccine myself when I was a child, but I don't remember if it gave me a scar. If it did it disappeared over time. I distinctly remember seeing them on other kids arms as I grew up. Seeing a smallpox vaccine scar in Thailand isn't nearly as startling as seeing one of those swastika tattoos. Yes I know the symbol represents the exact opposite in Asian culture than what the Nazi symbol represents to Westerners, but it still makes me almost gasp every I catch a glimpse of a swastika tattoo on a Thai. 1 Jonard reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikel 2,459 #8 Posted August 24, 2022 1 hour ago, oliver17 said: I have seen plenty of Thais with vaccine scars myself, and it is surprising to see them because you just don't see those in farang land anymore. I received smallpox vaccine myself when I was a child, but I don't remember if it gave me a scar. If it did it disappeared over time. I distinctly remember seeing them on other kids arms as I grew up. Seeing a smallpox vaccine scar in Thailand isn't nearly as startling as seeing one of those swastika tattoos. Yes I know the symbol represents the exact opposite in Asian culture than what the Nazi symbol represents to Westerners, but it still makes me almost gasp every I catch a glimpse of a swastika tattoo on a Thai. This stopped me in my tracks at a store in Pakse. 1 sydney69er reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonard 463 #9 Posted August 24, 2022 1 hour ago, mikel said: This stopped me in my tracks at a store in Pakse. Thats just… wrong. I get the swastika has more meanings than just nazi propaganda but to exhibit it like this on a flag is just bad taste. 3 mikel, naughtydog-bkk and Rocco reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikel 2,459 #10 Posted August 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Jonard said: Thats just… wrong. I get the swastika has more meanings than just nazi propaganda but to exhibit it like this on a flag is just bad taste. Presumably some factory owner in China thought swastikas would be a goid little earner in SEA and didn't really bother with research. Either that or maybe southern Laos is a hotspot for Nazi sympathisers. 1 george1515 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
naughtydog-bkk 731 #11 Posted August 25, 2022 8 hours ago, Jonard said: Thats just… wrong. I get the swastika has more meanings than just nazi propaganda but to exhibit it like this on a flag is just bad taste. Yeah, this one isn't ambiguous. There's no "oh maybe that's a buddhist Manji". No no. It's just a straight up fucking Nazi flag. 1 Jonard reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonard 463 #12 Posted August 25, 2022 A side note. Many western people wear T shirts with the face of Che Guevara on it. That man was a real monster. I have always found that equally apprehensive. 3 senzo, sornierob and fizzy reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ethanhunt 194 #13 Posted August 25, 2022 23 hours ago, Jonard said: Thats just… wrong. I get the swastika has more meanings than just nazi propaganda but to exhibit it like this on a flag is just bad taste. Well, am not so sure if Laos fought the Nazis in WW-II but USA sure did & yet plenty of people in the US march on the streets carrying this emblem on a flag. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oliver17 10,492 #14 Posted August 25, 2022 59 minutes ago, ethanhunt said: Well, am not so sure if Laos fought the Nazis in WW-II but USA sure did & yet plenty of people in the US march on the streets carrying this emblem on a flag. I have never seen anyone carrying or displaying a Nazi flag in this country, much less "plenty of people" marching on the streets doing so. Oh sure, cable "news" networks love taking some tiny and extreme example of American life and depicting as typical, but that's because peddling bullshit sensationalism is their business. Anybody who does something as dumb as parading around as a Nazi either has his head bashed in by bystanders or ends up publicly identified, and then loses his job, is doxxed etc. It's a very unpleasant existence for Nazi or Confederacy enthusiasts after they out themselves and they deserve it. In a country of 320,000,000 people, of course there are some clowns who display offensive symbols or say offensive things. They are allowed to do that because of the first amendment of the US Constitution that guarantees freedom of speech. The first amendment also guarantees the right of other people to loudly oppose them, shout them down and that's exactly what happens in the case of Nazis and the like. That's the beauty of the first amendment. Anybody can say anything but nobody has the last word. 2 sornierob and george1515 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bwana_LB 2,008 #15 Posted August 26, 2022 6 hours ago, ethanhunt said: Well, am not so sure if Laos fought the Nazis in WW-II but USA sure did & yet plenty of people in the US march on the streets carrying this emblem on a flag. "Plenty of people?" Sorry. Now, unlike Oliver I've seen these assholes. I lived in Charlottesville. But they got their asses handed to them, verbally by counter-protestors and legally by the courts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crillwill 34 #16 Posted August 26, 2022 I have to admit fellas, I'm a little worried about this. I'm no hypochondriac, I never feared covid at all the last 3 years, I just don't get how this isn't ripping through the p4p scene in Thailand. Specifically the gay p4p scene. I kinda have this gut feeling that it will explode and when it explodes you don't want to be there. I'm pretty bummed about it, I'm finally gearing up for a trip after 3 years and at the very least it's going to make me super cautious, no more trawling the lower suhkumvit area drunk as a skunk and blowing 3 ladyboys in a 2 hour window. That's where the fun was. 1 george1515 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ethanhunt 194 #17 Posted August 26, 2022 7 hours ago, oliver17 said: I have never seen anyone carrying or displaying a Nazi flag in this country, much less "plenty of people" marching on the streets doing so. Oh sure, cable "news" networks love taking some tiny and extreme example of American life and depicting as typical, but that's because peddling bullshit sensationalism is their business. Anybody who does something as dumb as parading around as a Nazi either has his head bashed in by bystanders or ends up publicly identified, and then loses his job, is doxxed etc. It's a very unpleasant existence for Nazi or Confederacy enthusiasts after they out themselves and they deserve it. In a country of 320,000,000 people, of course there are some clowns who display offensive symbols or say offensive things. They are allowed to do that because of the first amendment of the US Constitution that guarantees freedom of speech. The first amendment also guarantees the right of other people to loudly oppose them, shout them down and that's exactly what happens in the case of Nazis and the like. That's the beauty of the first amendment. Anybody can say anything but nobody has the last word. 2 hours ago, Bwana_LB said: "Plenty of people?" Sorry. Now, unlike Oliver I've seen these assholes. I lived in Charlottesville. But they got their asses handed to them, verbally by counter-protestors and legally by the courts. All I said was, Laos to my knowledge didn't have any skin in the game (Nazis vs Allies), the US certainly did. Seems it's easy to be condescending towards a semi impoverished SEA nation, when in most cases it's pure ignorance on their part. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonard 463 #18 Posted August 26, 2022 3 hours ago, crillwill said: I have to admit fellas, I'm a little worried about this. I'm no hypochondriac, I never feared covid at all the last 3 years, I just don't get how this isn't ripping through the p4p scene in Thailand. Specifically the gay p4p scene. I kinda have this gut feeling that it will explode and when it explodes you don't want to be there. I'm pretty bummed about it, I'm finally gearing up for a trip after 3 years and at the very least it's going to make me super cautious, no more trawling the lower suhkumvit area drunk as a skunk and blowing 3 ladyboys in a 2 hour window. That's where the fun was. Again. In Thailand people got vaccinated for smallpox to a much later date than in the west. Plenty of people in the scene have the vaccine scar on their arm. Those vaccines are lifetime effective and cross protect against monkeypox. This is the current hypothesis of why some countries have almost no spread. I can tell you with absolute certainty that this disease is not strongly underreported. Those blisters are huge, very painful and very visible. If you simply don’t have sex with anyone with blisters, your chance to get monkeypox go from absolutely neglible to theoretically possible in Thailand. If you are still worried, get vaccinated. Several countries in the west have started vaccinating At risk groups. In France we get a lot of foreigners coming here for vaccination. 3 fizzy, george1515 and mikel reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boomerang 2,250 #19 Posted August 27, 2022 On 8/26/2022 at 6:30 PM, Jonard said: Again. In Thailand people got vaccinated for smallpox to a much later date than in the west. Plenty of people in the scene have the vaccine scar on their arm. Those vaccines are lifetime effective and cross protect against monkeypox. This is the current hypothesis of why some countries have almost no spread. I can tell you with absolute certainty that this disease is not strongly underreported. Those blisters are huge, very painful and very visible. If you simply don’t have sex with anyone with blisters, your chance to get monkeypox go from absolutely neglible to theoretically possible in Thailand. If you are still worried, get vaccinated. Several countries in the west have started vaccinating At risk groups. In France we get a lot of foreigners coming here for vaccination. I imagine for discrete punters, the thought of presenting to wife with monkey pox blisters would be a scary thought. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonard 463 #20 Posted August 27, 2022 3 hours ago, Boomerang said: I imagine for discrete punters, the thought of presenting to wife with monkey pox blisters would be a scary thought. Its not an STD. Some people have gotten it from other types of contact. Standing very close to someone in the BTS with touching is enough. For the wife, I’d worry about genital herpes long before monkeypox. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Knobby 210 #21 Posted August 27, 2022 I am planning to get an appointment at Dean St in London before I go to get my usual tests done and more PrEP. I will ask when there about this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrAnimeLover 155 #22 Posted September 1, 2022 Here in Los Angeles, California in the US where I reside they started offering the vaccine to these groups below Monkeypox vaccine is now available to the following high-risk groups: Gay or bisexual men and transgender people who had: Multiple or anonymous sex partners in the last 14 days OR (NEW) Skin-to-skin or intimate contact (e.g., kissing, hugging) with persons at large venues or events in the past 14 days. (NEW) Persons of any gender or sexual orientation who engaged in commercial and/or transactional sex in the past 14 days (e.g., sex in exchange for money, shelter, food, and other goods or needs) I am/was past 14 days since I had any direct skin contact with anyone, but given I'm a single guy who's always on the hunt I took the opportunity to get the vaccine especially since I plan to be doing some "high risk" by their standards activity soon lol. I've now gotten my first shot a week ago from today. My arm still is itching, the injection site is a little red, and has a bit of a bump. Now just got to get my 2nd shot 3 weeks from today. I'd rather deal with those vaccine side effects than catch this though. I'd advise anyone else that's here in LA to get it while you can too especially if you like me are hoping to be frolicking with lots of lb and gg between now and the end of 2022. 3 sydney69er, Boomerang and george1515 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sornierob 588 #23 Posted October 10, 2022 On 8/25/2022 at 3:42 PM, ethanhunt said: Well, am not so sure if Laos fought the Nazis in WW-II but USA sure did & yet plenty of people in the US march on the streets carrying this emblem on a flag. Sorry, but "plenty of people" is just blatant hyperbole. 1 hkaus72 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites