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#1 Siam Man

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 07:29 AM

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Since I wasn't drinking on my recent trip (Feb 2012) I saw a lot of things I hadn't noticed before. I never really went on long morning walks or early afternoons for that matter. I came across this scene in the photo and didn't realize what it was until one of these fellas in brown stalked me a few blocks then gave me a gentle tap on my shoulder and had me follow him back to this little processing table.

It was the littering police. They handed me a laminated card that stated it was a 2000 baht fine for littering. I plead that I didn't know and apologized. They asked me what country I was from. Then BIB said 2000 baht. I told him I no have. Then he said 1000 baht. "No have" Then he asked me how many more days I would be in Thailand. I told them I leave tomorrow. Then he asked me how much I had. I pulled a wad of baht totaling about 350 baht from my pocket. I figured he would take it all but let me off for 200 baht which is exactly 10% of original fine. no paperwork or anything that looked like it recorded their take.

Smokers/litterers beware. Not really any trash receptacles which is one reason its so filthy in these areas.

I thought this was a new way for the BIB to shale down tourists. Apparently they have been doing it in this area for a few years based on this old Stickman article from 2007.



LITTERING POLICE


Dozens of Police are staked out along the avenues where tourists can be found. They see a cigarette smoker and stalk them like prey. They will radio ahead to fellow police officers and you will be fines 2000 baht for throwing a butt on the filthy sidewalks. The trash receptacle's have been removed. I abhor littering but for them to target tourists only is deplorable. Locals are immune from these fines. Only tourists are targeted, apprehended & intimidated.



The littering Police are earning aprox. 6,000 baht / hour, each. The funny thing is the Police smoke and flick then their butts onto the street.


I estimate the lower Sukhumvit Littering Police are taking in 1 million THB a day from visitors to the Land of Smiles.


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Posted 14 March 2012 - 07:41 AM

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Since I wasn't drinking on my recent trip (Feb 2012) I saw a lot of things I hadn't noticed before. I never really went on long morning walks or early afternoons for that matter. I came across this scene in the photo and didn't realize what it was until one of these fellas in brown stalked me a few blocks then gave me a gentle tap on my shoulder and had me follow him back to this little processing table.

It was the littering police. They handed me a laminated card that stated it was a 2000 baht fine for littering. I plead that I didn't know and apologized. They asked me what country I was from. Then BIB said 2000 baht. I told him I no have. Then he said 1000 baht. "No have" Then he asked me how many more days I would be in Thailand. I told them I leave tomorrow. Then he asked me how much I had. I pulled a wad of baht totaling about 350 baht from my pocket. I figured he would take it all but let me off for 200 baht which is exactly 10% of original fine. no paperwork or anything that looked like it recorded their take.

Smokers/litterers beware. Not really any trash receptacles which is one reason its so filthy in these areas.

I thought this was a new way for the BIB to shale down tourists. Apparently they have been doing it in this area for a few years based on this old Stickman article from 2007.



LITTERING POLICE


Dozens of Police are staked out along the avenues where tourists can be found. They see a cigarette smoker and stalk them like prey. They will radio ahead to fellow police officers and you will be fines 2000 baht for throwing a butt on the filthy sidewalks. The trash receptacle's have been removed. I abhor littering but for them to target tourists only is deplorable. Locals are immune from these fines. Only tourists are targeted, apprehended & intimidated.



The littering Police are earning aprox. 6,000 baht / hour, each. The funny thing is the Police smoke and flick then their butts onto the street.


I estimate the lower Sukhumvit Littering Police are taking in 1 million THB a day from visitors to the Land of Smiles.


Its been going on for decades, they arent actually real police (they are town hall guards or something, the uniforms look very similar) its all part of the tourist mafia thing. (like patpong taxi drivers, funnily enough)

Dont pay it, demand that they take you to a police station (not a police box) and fill in the paperwork.

They wont take you because they cant.

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 07:49 AM

Quick addition

Police, Mafia?


Same same in Thailand. Treat them as such.,




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Posted 14 March 2012 - 08:22 AM

Slan man, thanks for the warning.

Of course it is one of those scams t seperate the Farang from his baht.

I have found there is a good way to get around these thinks, I actually learned trying to avoid all the Tuk-Tuk drivers. If you speak an obscure language (I of course speak Swedish.) - Just pretend not to know a word a English or Thai and jab away in the language of choice. Always smile politly and nodd, but never do anything the other one says. Believe they all keep annoyed in a heart beat.
And in case it ever is really was police man and he had really emergency or problem, you would know / find out. ;)

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 08:35 AM

The guys who you refer to as 'littering police', are employees of BMA (Bangkok Metropolitan Authority, the people who run Bangkok) and are city code inspectors/enforcers, for cleanliness.

Like all Thai civil servants they abuse their position to line their own pockets.

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 08:36 AM

yes this has been going on for a long time also they like to stake out Ekami bus station and catch the farlang just off the bus and search them for nude photos or drugs. My friend has been caught up twice in this when he was with a girl so he has started to get off at On Nut instead. One way to get around it is to carry two memory cards and put in a safe one before you get there.

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 08:41 AM

yes this has been going on for a long time also they like to stake out Ekami bus station and catch the farlang just off the bus and search them for nude photos or drugs. My friend has been caught up twice in this when he was with a girl so he has started to get off at On Nut instead. One way to get around it is to carry two memory cards and put in a safe one before you get there.


Yeah Ekkamai bus station is bad, if they find Viagra, Xanax, Valiums or whatever in your case you are in for an expensive day.

Thong Lo police department is a disgrace, the worst in Bangkok and thats saying something. Be careful around Suk 22, they are always on the look out for a "donation" for the flimsiest reason.

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 01:00 PM

Oh yes, the reason for no litter bins is actually a reasonable one. There was a few bombs planted in litter bins a few years ago, so they removed them.




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Posted 14 March 2012 - 05:03 PM

I got pulled at the station ,mrs lotus delt with him :-)

Mum look what i fucked last night


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Posted 14 March 2012 - 05:20 PM

As said, been going on for years...The booth outside Soi 4, does well for this purpose. Also area up by Asoke...near Black Lion Pub. Once you've been stung for dropping a but, you learn and don't do it again....or maybe some don't. Theres also an extended "scam" version of it where a seen smoker is accused of dropping a butt...with exhibit 'A' in the hands of the 'Officer. Fight that one...Some expats smokers actually carry a spare butt with them as counter evidence.
But regardless of what the Thais do...if you chuck your trash on the floor..I can't get get too enthusiastic for being sympathetic to ones cause.

Edited by Two Shots, 14 March 2012 - 05:20 PM.


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Posted 15 March 2012 - 12:29 AM

But regardless of what the Thais do...if you chuck your trash on the floor..I can't get get too enthusiastic for being sympathetic to ones cause.


I'm with you on this one. That is probably my biggest gripe with smokers - not the smoke, but the careless way in which they dispose of the remains.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 02:30 AM

I got nailed by this same scam on my first trip in 2010 :angry: . I think he let me off with a 100baht fine and I saw him just put it in his pocket! :rolleyes:
I agree littering does suck, and in my case I'd even put my used cig butt in an almost empty water bottle and was looking for a trash can to dispose of it,when they tapped me and my buddy.
Luckily he spoke pretty good Thai and we got off light!

This is bullshit as we were trying to do the right thing having heard about this scam in the past,and still got stung! :angry:
Oh,well makes for a good(or bad) meory I guess :unsure: :lol: .
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 04:09 AM

I also got the "the boss wants to see you" and took the 100 metre walk.
Same deal with the card and 2000baht.
But, cos i leave small change in my left pocket, i reached to take it all out and got 220baht.
The coppers then pointed at the exchange both, but i also told them that i was catching up with a friend to take me to the airport.
They took nothing off me.

NO1 advice- if you commit the crime, do not deny it. Because "Thailand is my good friend" is what the older police officer behing the booth says. These guys usually on the corner of Sukhumvit and Soi4.
PS. these guys are hutting the farangs. So take care!
I think courtesy got me out this one

Slammy's photo of chisel jaw with his arms crossed was the same copper that pulled me up

Edited by LUBRK8R, 15 March 2012 - 04:10 AM.


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Posted 15 March 2012 - 09:12 AM

Once again, ill shout it this time. THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT POLICEMEN.





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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:17 AM

I wonder if the real Policemen take a cut from the 'Un-Policeman's' ill gotten gains, and if so, what do they give in return ?

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 11:30 AM

Yeah, the police will get a cut im sure, just as they do from all the other scams going on in that part of bangkok. (begging mafia, taxi mafia, tourist mafia, fake monks, african drug dealers etc)




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Posted 15 March 2012 - 12:25 PM

So its safe to assume these 'Non Policeman' have back up from the proper ( if thats the right word) Police.

Point I'm suggesting is that although the majority of the cigarette police are not true Fuzz...its best to avoid business with them. After a while in Bangkok, smokers...and regretfully that includes me, put their cigarette buts in an ash tray, trash bin, or save them for disposal when such is to hand.


Glad you raised the issue of the 'fake monks' and other 'raising money for temple' plays. Possibly the most disgraceful of all the box standard tourist scams.
If you want to make a donation...do it at a temple direct....Even more so if your in town on New Years Eve.

Edited by Two Shots, 15 March 2012 - 12:37 PM.


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Posted 15 March 2012 - 05:54 PM

They can also bust you with pirated DVDS,especially if you have Just bought bulk.

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Posted 30 January 2014 - 09:55 AM

An update to this thread . I' m sure you have all noticed there are now plenty of bins along sukhumvit . If i cant find one i just smile at a street vendor and gusture with my filthy cigarette butt and they normally oblige the use of their rubbish bag :)
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Posted 20 December 2014 - 08:46 AM

Saw these clowns out in full force yesterday.  Maybe it was a shift change but there were four total that I saw just in front of Starbucks near Soi 5. Two of them were processing an Arab guy for the 2000 baht fine.  Meanwhile freelancers just a couple of steps away seemed unfazed.  I wonder if anyone would dare take one of them with those guys there unless they knew they were nothing more than BMA officials.


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